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Post by MGNoxa on Dec 8, 2015 9:40:54 GMT -5
From what I have heard FF7 will be an episodic release and will have devil may cry style gameplay. IMO this is really bad news and I am getting worried that RE2 will end up being an action game like RE4 - RE6 After doing some research this is what I have. Each episode will be around the same size as a game. Square Enix said this is the only way to make a true Final Fantasy 7 remake and keep everything in the game. So what you're looking at is something similar to the Lightning Trilogy but with uniform gameplay. The story will be changed to surprise fans (I assume it will hit the same beats but will have new characters and scenarios, maybe even new party members?) The Gameplay is action focused but not like Devil May Cry, it's completely different than Crisis Core but not as action orientated as Dissidia or Kingdom Hearts. The feel of the battles is similar to Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia but still it's own thing. The ATB Gauge and Limit Breaks will be in the game. The action is stress free and will require no technique (translated from Japanese but I assume he means don't expect Devil May Cry combos, just press X to attack or press X to use magic.) You will have a party of three characters and be able to switch among them in combat, if you wanted you could play almost the whole game as Tifa or Yuffie. Switching characters in combat is needed for strategy reasons (I assume the harder fights will require a lot of switching.) Apparently they are moving into polishing the visuals right now which means we could probably expect the first part of this game next year. If this game being episodic is the only way it can be made then I'm still hyped. I need this game in my lifestream.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Dec 8, 2015 14:58:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the info MGNoxa I think that is pretty sad news, I have never fully played Final Fantasy VII and it looks like I will never truly experience it unless I play the original
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Dec 8, 2015 15:56:40 GMT -5
They should really cut the crap and just remake the game the way they implied or at least been wise enough to not try and win E3 on borderline bogus announcements. They gonna do this with Shenmue as well??? Sorry, it's becoming quite an annoying trend that developers are taking long-time masterpieces and exploiting their popularity and legacy to line their pockets, it's just this feels like a new low.
"To a great extent, we just couldn't take the plunge. Producing a proper HD remake of Final Fantasy 7 that maintains the same feeling of density of the original results in a volume of content that couldn't possibly fit into one installment. If we were to try to fit everything into one installment, we would have to cut various parts and create a condensed version, for instance, players will be able to explore many different areas of Midgar in this game that they couldn't access in the original -- if we're remaking this world, we want to add in areas like this and depict them with real detail."
The episodic release model makes this whole thing feel like a cash grab too. Breaking this single PS1 game up into pieces makes no sense technically, and may possibly degrade the quality of the story telling of the original version by separating important plot points by months of real time.
Imagine if they announced a remake of your favorite Metal Gear game, but they were only going to let you play up to two bosses at a time over the course of a couple years. I wouldn't know whats going on by the end and would have to go replay the previous installments over whenever I got the next when I should have been able to get the entire story over the course of a couple weeks in a single installment. I'm sure that was the idea when they were making the original. Lots of games have added entirely new sections and story lines to remakes and didn't have to deliver it in chunks.
Like I said before. Patients. Even if they bastardize the gameplay it's likely we will eventually get the entire remake in one package as some point. Just saying, I'm not going to run out and buy a PS4 for FFVII Remake Part 1. I will say with complete confidence, there are better games on PS4 that make it worth the purchase... and that's sad when you consider the system selling potential of a PROPER Final Fantasy VII remake.
EDIT: I'm not against the idea of expanding on a much beloved story/world/universe to this degree, but using an existing story/characters to do it under-minds the original artistic vision.
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Post by Greenfire32 on Dec 8, 2015 17:01:20 GMT -5
Are you bothered that it's not turn based? As great as the FF7 Gameplay is, that wasn't what made it as popular as it is today, it's the world, characters and story that accomplished that. I am bothered by it, yes. While you are technically right, it's the story that makes FF stand out, turn-based combat is the kind of game that FF is/was/should be. A good parallel is Halo Wars. While technically a Halo game, it's not really considered "Main Game" material because it doesn't follow the series' staple mechanics of FPS. Halo is an FPS. It's not an RTS, it's not a sidescroller, it's not a puzzle platformer. It's an FPS. The same can be said about FF. You can have all these "extra" games that don't really fit the mold (and honestly I'm fine with that), but at the same time, you can't ignore your roots. FF is a turn-based JRPG and I think that the fact it's quality has plummeted since 10-2 can attest to that for some degree. From what I have heard FF7 will be an episodic release and will have devil may cry style gameplay. That is super troubling to say the least. I'm going to go ahead a call it now: FF7 Remake will flop hard and Sqeenix will use that as an excuse to say, "See?! We knew it all along that you didn't really want it!" without actually realizing how out of touch they are with the people that made them. I've heard Nobuo Uematsu isn't part of the remake team... Thoughts? I'll give Squeenix the benefit of the doubt on this way and just go with the "they couldn't get him on board" route instead of the "they actively avoided him" route. That said, FF is 2 parts story, 2 parts music, 1 part gameplay. They better have his original or remixed songs in there even if they couldn't get him in there. From what I have heard FF7 will be an episodic release and will have devil may cry style gameplay. IMO this is really bad news and I am getting worried that RE2 will end up being an action game like RE4 - RE6 After doing some research this is what I have. Each episode will be around the same size as a game. Square Enix said this is the only way to make a true Final Fantasy 7 remake and keep everything in the game. So what you're looking at is something similar to the Lightning Trilogy but with uniform gameplay. The story will be changed to surprise fans (I assume it will hit the same beats but will have new characters and scenarios, maybe even new party members?) The Gameplay is action focused but not like Devil May Cry, it's completely different than Crisis Core but not as action orientated as Dissidia or Kingdom Hearts. The feel of the battles is similar to Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia but still it's own thing. The ATB Gauge and Limit Breaks will be in the game. The action is stress free and will require no technique (translated from Japanese but I assume he means don't expect Devil May Cry combos, just press X to attack or press X to use magic.) You will have a party of three characters and be able to switch among them in combat, if you wanted you could play almost the whole game as Tifa or Yuffie. Switching characters in combat is needed for strategy reasons (I assume the harder fights will require a lot of switching.) This is probably the single most disappointing news of FF7 I've heard yet... Never before has this picture been more accurate:
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Post by pootle on Jan 9, 2016 12:14:09 GMT -5
The episodic thing is a bit of a non-issue for me really. They should have explained it properly in the first place, rather than waiting for everyone to get the hump over it and then explaining their reasons. My biggest concern over it was if being released in episodes would limit the ability to freely explore the world as I did in the original - one of the highlights of that game for me is that most places are able to be revisited, and I was rarely tied down to having to visit a certain place or do a certain thing before everything else.
I was a tad upset by the battle system changes to begin with but it looks as if it'll work the way combat in XV does in the demo, which I actually quite enjoyed. Replaying the PS4 port has got me completely stoked for just how beautiful it could be.
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 9, 2016 13:51:38 GMT -5
The episodic thing is a bit of a non-issue for me really. They should have explained it properly in the first place, rather than waiting for everyone to get the hump over it and then explaining their reasons. My biggest concern over it was if being released in episodes would limit the ability to freely explore the world as I did in the original - one of the highlights of that game for me is that most places are able to be revisited, and I was rarely tied down to having to visit a certain place or do a certain thing before everything else. I was a tad upset by the battle system changes to begin with but it looks as if it'll work the way combat in XV does in the demo, which I actually quite enjoyed. Replaying the PS4 port has got me completely stoked for just how beautiful it could be. I don't think the combat will work the same way in XV and I don't just mean it'll be slightly different. In the PSX trailer for FFVII I think at 1:20 after Cloud's attack the Menu on the bottom left disappears, this could be a glitch or something that snuck into the trailer but what if you can only do so much with one character before it changes you to another character? Obviously this is just speculation of a piece of footage that is 1 second long from a game that may not be coming out till 2017. I'm also worried about the exploration... Hopefully when the final piece is released we will be able to explore the whole world. I hope everything turns out great because FF7 has some of my favourite FF characters and it's easily my favourite Final Fantasy. Do you think they should include story elements from other FF7 stuff? There's already hints of Crisis Core stuff being included.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 9, 2016 14:05:02 GMT -5
I'm also worried about the exploration... Hopefully when the final piece is released we will be able to explore the whole world. I hope everything turns out great because FF7 has some of my favourite FF characters and it's easily my favourite Final Fantasy. Isn't that the biggest issue though? I mean, it's pretty messed up that I can explore the whole world right now for about $10. That's the full game. How much will the whole remake cost by the end? I don't mind paying a full $59.99 but I want a complete game. Maybe your seeing something I'm not but this whole thing feels like another bait-and-switch model. If they can get you paying for the same thing over and over again, they will take advantage of that. I certainly wouldnt put my money down on "Hopefully" when there is no good reason for them doing this. Vote with your dollars, if this becomes a trend that RE2 remake is gonna suuuuuuuck.
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Post by pootle on Jan 9, 2016 16:48:59 GMT -5
I haven't played Crisis Core, so I wouldn't mind more of that story being included although I can imagine it being some sort of DLC, if I'm in a pessimistic mood. In terms of overall cost, I'm such a fan I'd be one of the suckers who'd probably pay far too much for each installment - however I don't think (and I've been woefully out of the loop surrounding most things since before Christmas so I could be wrong) there's been any clarification on cost at all yet - so it may not be as bad as people think. If I'm being optimistic, in my mind I'm envisaging an open world masterpiece, where we'll have a map the size of what's in VII, but with the attention to detail and glorious-ness of Fallout 4. I think I'm setting myself up for disappointment, though
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 9, 2016 17:58:56 GMT -5
It may very well be all you ever wanted... but in chunks. I just don't get it. I feel like I will be experiencing the ending to Halo 2 over and over again. Massive unfulfilling cliffhangers.
I can't see how every purchase of an "episode" of Final Fantasy VII won't end in disappointment. I would come off of it wanting the rest of the world/story/characters. The whole situation wouldn't sting so bad if it wasn't for the fact that I have ALL the episodes on PlayStation right now.
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Post by pootle on Jan 10, 2016 4:05:43 GMT -5
I agree with you to a point; episodics only work for me when installments are released with regularity (and not at £40 each) and of course, I would prefer to have the game all in one go - who wouldn't? I'm not massively enthused by the decision but if the reasoning behind it is genuine, and having it all in one game would mean missing content, culling certain parts and general cutting back of everything fans know and love about it; then I for one would rather have it in episodes.
I can see why people are upset by it, totally. It's not a popular decision and at first glance it smacks of money grabbing and milking a massively popular franchise; but without more information and closer to release, it's impossible to say with any certainty that's the case, or that it definitely won't work.
If the episodes are in fact full game-sized, and aren't released too far apart, I probably wouldn't have time between kids, work and everything else to complete one before the next comes out anyway so being left hanging isn't something I need to worry about in that respect.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 10, 2016 13:04:32 GMT -5
If the episodes are in fact full game-sized, and aren't released too far apart, I probably wouldn't have time between kids, work and everything else to complete one before the next comes out anyway so being left hanging isn't something I need to worry about in that respect. I respect that this model would be better for someone with a full schedule. If it cost less money to buy the whole package in a year or two I may just wait. I really don't want to argue just for the sake of argument but this is a problem I am seeing throughout the entire entertainment industry. What can we do about it? Besides simply not buy it and write emails to the publisher were stuck with this. I mean, have we seen the last Jurassic Park? I know we haven't seen the last YoungAdult movie, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, etc. movie. EVERYTHING is being formulated as a bigger story to be broken up into chunks and it's rare that this is a good thing anymore. Every genre/brand I just listed is getting more and more unwatchable as I pay to see them just to leave the theater KNOWING there will be a sequal, otherwise I just saw a very weak stand-alone film. They are letting US fool ourselves into forgetting we just wasted our money on an unfinished part 1, because we know we haven't seen the end of the story. We will keep forgiving the more glaring shortcomings because we want to judge the whole product and not just a part. This allows companies to sell you several mediocre products on the idea that they are just a small chunks of a (hopefully) much greater thing. Yeah, it makes me mad. Just afraid were going to get alot of crappy episodes of an overall great game. It's already happening in film, and if Final Fantasy VII Remake is a hit, we could be seeing alot of this.
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