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Post by Mr.Spinks on Dec 3, 2015 22:12:41 GMT -5
So this might be a controversial subject, but do you support the airstrikes on Syria.
I do personally because sitting back and taking no action isn't really gonna help deal with ISIS, they've gotten the stones to attack Paris and gun down civilians so I think a few airstrikes is gonna install the message that we're not going to lay down and let them walk over us!
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Post by Xargen on Dec 4, 2015 1:12:36 GMT -5
Honestly it feels like ISIS won't really care about aristrikes at this point to me... I mean, honestly I don't wanna sound like one of those "close all borders" kinda guys, but if they're not regulating who comes in then you have no control... Airstriking Syria isn't really gonna be effective 'cus Syria isn't the problem... If you're gonna try and fight the root-cause while trying to avoid undue misery to innocents but still giving a show of force then you need to go full in with a ground assault... Airstrikes are WAY too prone to innocent deaths for my liking (be that my personal opinion) but if you want my HONEST opinion on what needs to be done then for me at least it seems pretty clear... These radical fuckheads seem pretty damn organised... Just look at how close together the Paris attacks were for clarification... We need to infiltrate, find the head of the snake, cut that shit off, find the next head, cut that shit off and keep cutting off the top layers until it becomes infective to even try to keep communications up between the ISIS extremists
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Dec 4, 2015 4:08:39 GMT -5
I doesn't matter if ISIS care about aristrikes, remember "Jihadi John" a US drone strike in Syria killed him so they get my vote. Xargen what makes you say that boots on the ground won't cause undue misery to innocents? (on both sides)
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Post by Lenrat117 on Dec 4, 2015 7:16:48 GMT -5
No,I don't support the Airstrikes. We can't crater Syria anymore than it has already been. At this point it'll just breed more hate towards "the west". The reason why airstrikes are effective in Iraq is that we're working in close tandem with the Kurds and the Iraqis, two well established, well organised units. The thing about Syria is that it doesn't have a significant organisation to stand up to the Daesh, the rebels are fragmented, the government would be completely gone now if Russia wasn't keeping it alive. Compared to the Daesh who are a cold unified force, it's no wonder Syria has only gotten worse. What we need to do is start rebuilding, bring all the pieces of Syria and make them talk. Once we get some sort of solid coalition going between the Syrians we set up some sort of "safe zone" for civilians and use the money we would have spent on bombs to feed and look after them. Maybe they won't hate the west quite as much if we, you know, help them instead of blowing up their houses for no reason.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Dec 4, 2015 9:42:18 GMT -5
You are getting dangerously close to saying that "we" the West, created ISIS or that we could create more fundamental terrorists?
Fundamental terrorists are the way they are because of what it says in their holy book, you can throw as much money at Syria as you want but as long as there is belief in martyrdom people will continue to blow up and kill the infidel.
Belief really matters, if you believe the building you are in is on fire you will leave the building and if you believe the only thing standing in the way of heaven is a room full of people at a rock concert and god wants you to kill everyone in the room you will kill everyone in that room. (it is hard for nonbelievers to understand this but it IS true)
There is no reasoning with these animals, what evidence do you provide to someone who doesn't respect evidence?
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Post by MGNoxa on Dec 4, 2015 10:05:49 GMT -5
You are getting dangerously close to saying that "we" the West, created ISIS or that we could create more fundamental terrorists? Fundamental terrorists are the way they are because of what it says in their holy book, you can throw as much money at Syria as you want but as long as there is belief in martyrdom people will continue to blow up and kill the infidel. Belief really matters, if you believe the building you are in is on fire you will leave the building and if you believe the only thing standing in the way of heaven is a room full of people at a rock concert and god wants you to kill everyone in the room you will kill everyone in that room. (it is hard for nonbelievers to understand this but it IS true) There is no reasoning with these animals, what evidence do you provide to someone who doesn't respect evidence? I just want to say that as much as their "holy book" has some horrendous stuff in it, so does the Bible and there's been several shootings in America that are Christian based. So it's not just their religion it's every religion that's messed up and on top of that it's all about how it's read, many Muslims read it in a different way than Daesh and they aren't going about blowing people up and I've even seen several Muslims say that some stuff needs to be updated to fit with modern times. Obviously best case scenario is every religious person gets hit on the head and finally realises they've been duped. If we really want to stop Daesh then we need to hit them at the money, stop them form selling oil, find out which governments are keeping them safe and funding them and stop the Billionaire assholes from funding them. It's obvious Daesh are getting help from countries and Billionaires, stop them and Daesh will turn back into the little cave dwellers they are and eventually die out. The other thing we need to do is figure out how so many young Muslim kids are being indoctrinated and going over to fight or fuck them, either these kids are being got at a young age or they are hanging around with Daesh believers. Can't be hard finding out who is taking to these kids in their own countries. Final thing we need to do is not let them back into the country, if they go over to Daesh then as far as I'm concerned they have lost the right the call themselves British, French, American or wherever they claim to be from, you're a terrorist now you can stay there and die. JMMREVIEW I agree with you there's no reasoning with these animals that's why they can't come back. I don't know if bombing them directly is the best course of action, we should be focusing on how to stop them because while I don't fully agree with Lenrat117 she's right the more innocents that are killed means more people hate us which means Daesh gets more support. I would love to just glass the place if it didn't mean hundreds of thousands of innocents would be killed because if you look at online documentaries it's not hard to see that 99% of the people that are living with Daesh are forced to live there and if they try to leave they get tortured and beheaded. To quote one of my favourite movies "Fear makes others turn. When they see you alive, they will turn against Koba." Yes that is a movie about talking apes but Daesh has control because of fear not because of loyalty, that's why innocent people can't be caught in the crossfire.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Dec 4, 2015 10:50:05 GMT -5
Right, the christian Bible has some horrendous stuff too, ever heard of the Crusades that lasted from 1095 to 1291? The teaching of christians in churches today is benign in comparison to want was taught 1000 years ago in churches.
Again what matters is belief and what is taught churches vs mosks (or back rooms as the case may be).
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Post by MGNoxa on Dec 4, 2015 10:57:46 GMT -5
Right, the christian Bible has some horrendous stuff too, ever heard of the Crusades that lasted from 1095 to 1291? The teaching of christians in churches today is benign in comparison to want was taught 1000 years ago in churches. Again what matters is belief and what is taught churches vs mosks (or back rooms as the case may be). Yeah my guess it's some back room stuff.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Dec 4, 2015 14:49:22 GMT -5
It just seems so pointless to even talk about this.
Not a one of us has the right answer. Not a one of us holds any keys to do anything about it. All talking about this has done for me is shown that I have the unpopular opinion, and that everyone is too angry, bitter, scared, and confused to really talk about this logically.
I think it's important to remember there are innocent and guilty people on both sides of this conflict. If we have the means, we have to try and help everyone we can, and continue to defend against and seek out the leaders of terrorist groups.
Stay positive people.
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Post by Lenrat117 on Dec 4, 2015 16:15:02 GMT -5
Would you like an internet hug, Blade?
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Dec 4, 2015 17:44:22 GMT -5
Um... sure...
Internet hugs for all!!!
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Post by Mr.Spinks on Dec 4, 2015 19:52:53 GMT -5
Everyone's going on about the loss of innocent lives, but at the end of the day this is what ISIS brought on it's self by trying to impose its beliefs on others and all they really are going to achieve is a massive backlash against all Muslims to the point where they end up being an easy target to lynching mobs which in turn is going to lead to more radicals joining out of fear and looking for some sort of protection from the prejudice and all it's really gonna do is end up with civil war in Britain and maybe other countries. So I do very much think yes there will be backlash if innocents are killed but at the end of the day you've just taken out a massive Head Quarters and shown we have more power than them and we will use it no matter the cost. so the best we can do is send in the airstrikes and take out key targets then send in some aid that way we're not risking nationals and are minimizing the amount of damage we cause. In world war II I do believe that Winston Churchill stopped looking at the war from a humane point of view and looked at it as a numbers game, we need to do the most damage possible while minimizing the civilian/soldier casualties as for my tin foil hat civil war argument. look at this I don't generally agree with the guys views in the video but I also dislike the way the Muslim reacted to him by walking up looking to start a fight, to be honest probably my own prejudices but he would be the type to become a radical simply out of spite www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NNjIUoqjGwalso one more little gripe saw this the other day, apparently a woman who runs her own hairdressers is being put out of business for being racist because she won't allow Muslims in her salon granted it's a dick move but it's also her business and she can decide what to do with it even if she is a bit of a twat munch...but that's not the point the point is criticizing Muslims is not racism the definition of Muslim is a follower of the Islamic faith meaning anyone can be a Muslim if they really want to, so it's not racism it's prejudice! :/ it kinda irritates me how anyone who disagrees with the Islamic faith is instantly tarred a racist.
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Post by Mr.Spinks on Dec 4, 2015 20:03:38 GMT -5
Also one more thing to add is all radical religious groups comes from people dedicating there life to a faith they don't have enough understanding of from all religious documents I've seen the seem to be a list of do's and don'ts of how we should act towards our fellow human being.
rather than looking at it for a deeper meaning look at it as more of a guideline of how to live a good life!
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Dec 6, 2015 7:30:55 GMT -5
also one more little gripe saw this the other day, apparently a woman who runs her own hairdressers is being put out of business for being racist because she won't allow Muslims in her salon granted it's a dick move but it's also her business and she can decide what to do with it even if she is a bit of a twat munch...but that's not the point the point is criticizing Muslims is not racism the definition of Muslim is a follower of the Islamic faith meaning anyone can be a Muslim if they really want to, so it's not racism it's prejudice! :/ it kinda irritates me how anyone who disagrees with the Islamic faith is instantly tarred a racist. Well you have raised a good point, how can she differentiate who to allow into her shop? You can be a 85 year old white grandmother and be a Muslim. My guess is she wont allow "brown" people into her shop and that is why she is being branded a racist, either way its bigotry and discrimination and she should be put out of business and someone should sue her.
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Post by Mr.Spinks on Dec 6, 2015 11:54:34 GMT -5
I'm very much if someone doesn't want to allow certain types of people into there shop then let em do it...it's not really a business I'm going to be part of, but you can't go out of your way to shut them down because all you're really doing is the same things she's doing targeting people because of there choices.
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