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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 17, 2016 13:29:53 GMT -5
Hey guys!!! Take a look at this!
Sorry, Pat. This is awesome.
While I can only speak for myself, the appeal here is the promise of a first-party NES experience in 2016. A genuine experience with real first-party controllers, and legit, stable versions of these games. If you were one of those kids that grew up running home from school as fast as you can because you couldn't wait to get back into Metroid or Final Fantasy, than the NES Mini is for you.
On emulators: Emulators are great. Don't get me wrong, but they are a far cry from replicating and often even properly imitating those Saturday nights spent with a friend in front of a ole tube, double teaming Super Mario Bros. 3. The NES Mini is for those who just want to play NES games on their HDTV the most legit way possible.
The value aspect is something to consider as well. I don't see anyone saying "or you could just go to a pawn shop..." because the truth is, tracking down these 30 games, an NES, controllers, and a dongle you need just to hook it up to a newer TV would be considerable more expensive than just buying an NES Mini. Buying all these games on virtual console (provided they are available) would cost upwards of $150 as well. Feels like Nintendo (for once) thought this through pretty well. (Here's to hoping they don't short supply these things so bad I never ever get one.)
Finally, the games. About half the titles on this thing, I have been hearing about for nearly 30 years. No joke. I'm getting old now. I know so considering I'm in the minority of people hyped for this thing. I've never played many of those games either. Now, at about $2 a game, and with guaranteed home runs like SMB3, Donkey Kong, Metroid, and Mega Man 2, I'm confident in buying this.
It's $59.99. The price of what we've grown used to paying for one game, even a digital copy, that may or may not be as good in relation as well as legacy. This is pretty much the Rare Replay of 2016. It's made for the 20/30/40 somethings that want to relive the NES, don't want to pay an arm and leg for it, and don't want the harsh realities of old/modern tech compatibility to mar the otherwise great nostalgic experience. I can't wait. Who's with me!!! Anyone?.... Anyone?....
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Jul 20, 2016 7:03:19 GMT -5
I think this is REALLY cool but it begs the question will Nintendo do the same for the and N64!? It would be a day one buy if they did. It would be made better if you could use your old cartridges and controllers I don't know why Nintendo are so against that.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 20, 2016 13:39:03 GMT -5
I'm as excited for this as I was for Rare Replay. More so at the idea of using the original controller to play these games, and that it's being made by Nintendo and not a 3rd-party like with the Atari and Sega EMU consoles. This thing is coming out this year too. I feel like Iwata would have never done this as president of Nintendo. He was always so heavily focused on moving forward with the company. I'm saying this because I'm sure this is a business decision made to bank on nostalgia and it's a damn good move for a company with such a rich history. It's especially smart to include so many games. If it was only 15 of Nintendos most obvious 8-bit classics I wouldn't care. Nintendo has done that before on GBA and who knows where else. There are no glaring omissions in this box though, just a few head scratchers like River City Ransom and Castlevania III being absent. As a guy who bought a Wii pretty much to have all his favorite NES and N64 games on one console via Virtual Console, (and that's ALL) this NES Mini is perfect. At $59.99 I would buy a /N64 version of this in a heartbeat. I'll pack my Wii up and put it away when the N64 Mini is announced. It could have 15 games and still be worth it though. With that in mind though, I would keep a close eye on this NES Mini if you are serious about buying one. I completely understand people not likeing this idea of spending $60 for a bunch of 30 year old games, but I argue that this isnt for them. If they are content with an emulator or the NES games they already have on VC than more power to them to not buy this. At $59.99, This is a good deal though. I'm already seeing $100 pre-orders for this thing on eBay. The scalpers are ready.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Jul 20, 2016 15:39:50 GMT -5
You are certainly doing a good job at getting me interested in buying one I think this would be a great thing to buy for my son to play old games, I don't want him to grow up only playing modern games. When he gets a bit older (and can read) I am going to buy him a 3DS so he can play the remakes of Zelda OoT and MM. If I could also buy him a Mini and N64 Mini I would be very happy.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 20, 2016 23:30:24 GMT -5
I know. Even if I'm bored with it in a few weeks I would rather have it around than not. I would love nothing more than to gave my children the opportunity to experience the evolution of video games the way I did but accelerated. Personally I would much sooner my child wrap his/her hands around an NES controller than a smart phone first. I don't want to deprive the kid but I would like them to experience what games were like. I would really like them to appreciate all games for what they are and not get hung up on the eye candy of everything new. I would definite see if he can't fall in love with LoZ on NES Mini and then blow his mind with Ocarina of Time or even just ALttP. lol Same goes I would probably have him play Super Mario Bros. and then SMB.3 just to see how he feels about the new one without that weird game in the middle. Looking at the library of N64 games and judging by what Nintendo has the rights to, I wouldn't be surprised if there were only 10 games an N64 Mini and maybe 20 games on an Mini. That was back when Nintendo had heavy 3rd party support. They don't have that now. Anyway you know what to do. Keep a close eye on these things through your favorite retailer and when the time comes, vote with your dollars. Frankly, the concept of These Mini consoles lined up at the base of my tv makes me geek out in ways I haven't in.... a long time. N64 Mini: 1080: TenEighty Snowboarding Excitebike 64 F-Zero X Harvest Moon 64 Mario Kart 64 Mario Party Star Fox 64 Super Mario 64 Super Smash Bros. Wave Race 64 Ocarina of Time Majoras Mask Maybe I'm missing some big ones. Either way, N64 Mini = YES PLEASE! Edit: Man does this show how unappealing the N64 is without Rareware games. It's not a horrible selection, but I thought I would point that out. If this was a "Best of N64" list there would be some glaring omissions. It would look like I don't know what I'm talking about. lol
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 21, 2016 1:18:58 GMT -5
Just for fun... because it would be amazing... 20 games. Mini: Chrono Trigger Contra III Earthbound Mega Man X Super Metroid Final Fantasy II Final Fantasy III F-Zero Kirby Super Star Pilotwings Star Fox Super Mario Kart Super Mario RPG Super Punch-Out!! Secret of Mana Street Fighter II Turbo Super Castlevania IV Super Mario World Yoshi's Island Zelda: A Link to the Past It's a pretty realistic prediction given what's on the NES Mini.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Jul 21, 2016 6:26:50 GMT -5
Agreed with all of the above and great job putting those list predictions together I would say they are pretty spot on, that is worthy of a GoldenEdge Gamer article if I have ever seen one. N64 Mini I agree the N64 Mini would probably only have 10-20 games to be honest it would be worth the price for Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask, Star Fox 64 and Super Mario 64 the rest is just gravy. Good point that some of the best N64 games are 3rd party but this is exactly why I think it is really important that Nintendo allow you to use your old carts too. Mini Wow that is some list, day one buy for me I forgot just how many great games the had. Seeing all these Castlevania games makes me wonder do Nintendo have the rights to the N64 Castlevania games too?
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 21, 2016 23:48:55 GMT -5
They might. I don't understand the rights situation with some of these older games I rarely if ever see them on other consoles, so Nintendo may retain some kind of standing right to publish these games.
It's difficult or next to impossible to know if they had to get permission to publish some of the games on the Nes mini.
P.s. yes I should make an article..... I think I will when I get back in town...
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Jul 22, 2016 10:46:34 GMT -5
It's really hard to know Nintendo's mind set sometimes. Maybe they are worried that releasing a mini/N64 mini means they can't then charge people over the odds for a digital download on virtual console. ***I wish more companies would take a leaf out of Rare Ltd's book*** ^ I would not have said that 2 years ago but they have really turned things around and I now love them again they have given us what we want which is more than I can say for a lot of companies. Where is Metal Gear Solid 1 Remake and a Timesplitters Remake? People want it JUST DO IT!
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 22, 2016 18:56:04 GMT -5
That's a Big reason I'm feeling like I'm slowly being aged out of this hobby. 10 years ago, had social media been what it is today, we would have what we want. There is a bigger conversation here that actually has call of duty as a big example of how the industry is future focused, and doesn't see the profit potential of older games unless they are $20 remakes locked behind an $80 pay wall.......
More on that later but the point is that maybe instead of wanting remakes of 8 year old games, maybe we should just go play them......
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jul 24, 2016 12:08:05 GMT -5
Also something to consider is the actual hardware. Nintendo usually makes things built to last, but their older hardware in particular is impressive in how it still works today. Of course when I really think about it, it's not surprising considering the hardware doesn't require moving parts like a disk drive, hard drive, and cooling fan. Less to wear out.
Biggest concern at this point is that the demo model they showed at Comic-Con this week had a cord that looked about 3 feet long..... which is roughly 1/3 the length of most controllers on the market.
I meant to make a joke of how short the cord looks in promo images but as it turns out, it's not a joke. I hope it was just for the demo model because there is no way a 3 foot cord is going to work in my cramped living space, as cramped as it is, the cord is way too short at 3 feet.
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Post by MGNoxa on Sept 30, 2016 16:19:52 GMT -5
This video is pretty interesting NES Classic vs Wii U
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Oct 2, 2016 10:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah I was always let down by how crappy my Wii made virtual console games look. I could swear they looked better and NES Mini proves they can. The short controller wires is a huge oversight though.
Having to get up to push the reset button in order to change or save games I could also see getting annoying. Nostalgia can only do so much. As great as it will be to see a brighter NES game on a bigger screen, I've come to realize ALL my currently hooked up consoles are wireless accept for a PS2 with a very long corded controller. I'm so used to that freedom.
It bugs me that by design, this product is a novelty item more than a proper "console". I know it's not meant to be, but there is a line. A side of the fence this charming little piece of nostalgia candy is beginning to keel over to. I was imagining hitting both start and select at the same time might return you to the menu. Maybe I would have a nice 8ft+ cord. Maybe that short cord was just for demo models. Then I would buy an extra controller and pretty much replicate my early 90's experience with the original console. This isnt happening. NINTENDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sure this is going to be the toy to have this holiday season. It looks very well designed but using the NES Classic Edition for gaming the way I use my other consoles seems impractical at best at this point. Do I get an extra long USB cord to have the NES beside me? Or buy controller cord extenders and only save when absolutely necessary?
You get the point. Nintendo forgive me for wanting to abuse the hell out of the save feature to finally beat Ghosts and Goblins without a Game Genie. Forgive me for not wanting to have cords strung across my living room like a perpetual LAN party just to play 8-bit games from the 80's. Forgive me for wanting to give the NES Classic Edition a permanent spot in my entertainment center. We didn't have to "get the NES out" to play it in the 80s!
Yeah, this is just a big pessimistic rant on something that's otherwise one of the best (if not the best) of it's kind. I'm sure the act of playing these games is emulated as flawlessly as possible, but is it worth it? I don't know.
The thought of having to fight for a shot at Nintendos short launch supply, and the extra things like cord extenders and an extra controller could easily turn this into a $100+ purchase that may not be worth the trouble in the short term. You can cherry pick the worse looking but no less classic versions of these games on both Wii U and 3DS virtual console too. So I might just go buy a couple official NES Classic Edition Controllers for $20 and go that route.
Off to work now.
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