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Post by Xargen on Apr 12, 2014 18:43:22 GMT -5
So I came across this video, and wondered if it merited discussion
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Apr 12, 2014 21:03:38 GMT -5
I just watched a total of 1:31 of this video and I need to comment...
I really NEVER asked for "innovation". Just more of the same awesome that is _________. What I had, but better. THAT is what sells and what people like. The familiar. Look at the sales numbers of Call of Duty and New Super Mario Bros. year after year, after year, and you will see that.
Further more, it's NOT the average gamers' fault. NO, it's the self-proclaimed intellectuals at various gaming web sites (the kind that make money off their opinion) that knock points off a review score for a game because it's not "innovative". Thus driving the hardened gamer whose learned by spending his/her hard earned gaming dollar on a mediocre game to steer clear of an otherwise good game based on reviews. I mean, I might love Arkham Origins but how would I know? I'm poor and the review scores scared me away from paying full price.
We don't want "innovation" no, we want renovation.
So I watched the rest of the video and yeah, the video hit on this, but I just need to stand up and say it's NOT the gamers' fault for being the human creatures of habit we are.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 13, 2014 4:30:21 GMT -5
I really feel like making a video responses to this there is just some much wrong with it.
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Post by Xargen on Apr 13, 2014 10:56:33 GMT -5
Honestly I feel that a LOT of the sales figures are not something to go by anyway, seeing as the classic games he lists are pretty old whereas the big sellers are newer, and the gaming industry has grown exponentially since then... In the year of OoT, the "gamer" was looked down upon in a sense... We were the nerds. These days EVERYONE has a console of some sort, and CoD is multi-platform so of course that'll boost its sales... Basically what I'm trying to say is there's more gamers these days than there used to be, and the ones that used to be gamers are more likely the ones to be sick of the Madden and the CoD games where nothing ever changes enough to warrant it being a new game
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Apr 13, 2014 13:30:39 GMT -5
So my wife watched/read this thread an asked "Then what would you have Nintendo do?"
I would first off, have Nintendo, step away from Mario as a franchise. Finish Mario Kart and Smash Bros. but then leave it alone for a couple years. Like COD, we are getting too much of a "good" thing and we don't appreciate it like we used to. That doesn't make us bad people, it happens. I know it's arguable weather or not there good games but they are relatively of quality compared to most of the software in the industry. Then, I would have them explore getting back their 3rd party support. They have just whittled there library down to such a small number of quality first-party titles that it was only a matter of time before the comparison between New Super Mario and Call of Duty was going to come to light. 3rd party support and remaking there back catalog is key to console sales now. NOTHING sold Wii Us better than Wind Waker HD.
The Gamecube, for me, only survived as long as it did due to 3rd party support. I own one Wii game. New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Everything else I play on it is a 3rd party GameCube game, or a virtual console download.
Gamers' know what they want but like kids in a candy store, when left to their own devices, they will gorge themselves to absolute misery. By buying every Super Mario and Call of Duty every year expecting the same greatness gamers' are becoming numb to their old favorites. So if you don't want the same old Call of Duty, DON'T BUY Call of Duty anymore. It's not a "vote with your dollars" point I'm trying to make either. It's as simple as this. In truth, we don't really want innovation and change. We just want the same old high we are getting from our games to feel like the new high that originally hooked us, but with everything in life this too shall pass.
So lets try new things and allow what has for each one of us, become redundant to sit dormant so we can return to it one day with a fresh perspective and appreciate these games for everything we hoped they could be. It's not our fault the Wii U is failing it's only our fault that we allowed ourselves to become board with all the quality that surrounds us. We arnt demanding innovation, only the vision to see things as we did before and appreciate what we had. We are in a sense, getting old.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 13, 2014 14:31:04 GMT -5
I will try my best to get a video response up about this. If I can find the time
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 14, 2014 18:50:52 GMT -5
So close to finishing a video response but I need to go to bed, I will try and finish it after work tomorrow.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 15, 2014 15:03:51 GMT -5
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Post by Xargen on Apr 15, 2014 15:37:36 GMT -5
Just got through watching it... Nicely put JMM
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Apr 15, 2014 15:55:11 GMT -5
Well put JMM. Game Theory defiantly didn't do all their home work.
Personally, and all bar graphs and misinformation aside, I do think gamers "know what they want" until they are presented with something they "didn't know they wanted." This happens all the time with technology where you look back and wonder how we ever got by without cell phones or the internet. For Henry Ford, a faster horse would have sold like hot cakes because it was what the consumer was used to but with improvements that make the old model inferior. A car is new, different, and unless in most ways superior to a horse, is likely to fail in it's early design. That is what we want. We want what we fell in love with, but better. True "innovation" found in Mario 64 makes it unrecognizable as a Mario games we were used to. Now the 2D Mario games have many elements from Mario 64 and those sold for awhile.
I guess my point is that to blame the consumer for the failure of a product isn't looking at the whole picture. We are sick of the same ole stuff we love but keep buying it thus communicating we don't want change and innovation. Change is coming weather we buy it or not and we'll either embrace it or let it die. I think many people don't want evolution or even revolution. Some are quite happy and sad with their own reality. They just get tired of there sameness and are vocal about it. Myself, I want what I've had, as well as new things. I would rather they leave Perfect Dark alone for a few years and give me Halo for a few then bring back Perfect Dark as I remember it in a sequel, not like Halo, not like PDZ. That is the difference.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Apr 15, 2014 22:55:58 GMT -5
Honestly we could talk in circles all day about the 2 or 3 different controversies addressed in this video. You make a good point JMM. It's good that it got us talking.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 16, 2014 3:47:02 GMT -5
We are sick of the same ole stuff we love but keep buying it thus communicating we don't want change and innovation. Sick of the same ole stuff? I wish I was sick of the same old stuff. The last new Survival Horror game I played was State of Decay and I cant remember the last new Survival Horror I played before that! There arent enough (or any) new Survival Horror games to get sick of!
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Apr 16, 2014 10:48:18 GMT -5
I'm sick of the COD clone we call Halo 4, PDZ, Goldeneye Reloaded, Far Cry2/3, etc. I own or have played all of them at one point. I want the throwback I hope Wolfenstein can be.
I'm sick of a new Mario game from Nintendo ever 9 months and I've been playing Mario old and new since I can remember. I want them to lay off the franchise as a whole for a few years.
I'm NOT sick of the same ole survival horror but that's because there is none. Like 2 survival horror games a year maybe. I want to see a throwback to Resident Evil 2 and a new SoD.
We are old timers. The same old stuff to me, translates to the stuff we see every day/year. There are no "Hey! I remember that!" moments anymore. Everything has been remade or HD'd and it's all reminded me how much I loved this old-school stuff. So Nintendo answered the call with New Super Mario Bros. and it sold like crazy, I really liked it, Then they put out 3 sequels in 5 years and people are getting tired. Thats what I meant.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 16, 2014 17:19:26 GMT -5
I wont argue with you about cod, I am pretty much board of talking about it, its more of a fashion accessories than it is a game anyway (I would like to point out you cant blame what happen to PDZ on cod)
I think we talked about Mario before, I dont see the problem with it, New Super Mario Bros, Mario Galaxy and Super Mario 3D World on the Wii U were all highly praised games. Some gamers even said Super Mario 3D World was the best next gen game so if its that good why not make them.
I see what you are getting at tho, for the past few years a lot of the big franchises have been chasing after the next cod game and as a result we have been getting some pretty shitty games. Cough cough Resident Evil 6 cough.
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Post by JMMREVIEW on Apr 19, 2014 3:58:16 GMT -5
A random posted a comment on my youtube video
My reply:
(1) The console itself wasn't innovative hence the poor sale which has a knock on effect on all game sales it wouldn't matter if the games were innovation or not the damage was already done by NOT being an innovative console in the first place.
(2) You are proving MY point sales were better on other console for RE4 which proves sale were poor on the Gamecube not because of innovation but because of console sales.
(3) Okay so using your logic 14% of everyone on Gamecube bought Zelda Wind Waker and it would sell the same on any other console at the time. Lets see what other console was out at the same time as the Gamecube oh yeah PS2 it sold 155,000,000 units. 14% of 155,000,000 = 21,700,000.
All told Zelda Wind Waker would have sold 25 million (using your logic) not too shabby eh?
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