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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 20, 2016 11:00:10 GMT -5
Okay so I've been really addicted to this trailer and it's the first time I've ever wanted to make a breakdown video for anything but I have a small YouTube channel and a copyright takedown will destroy it. So I'll treat all you guys to a private breakdown. Not mental. Although... that would be fitting for Suicide Squad... AHHHHHHHHHH. (I'm going to assume you know some stuff on DC. Feel free to ask for information on anything you don't know and I'll try to help you out.) General - Listen to the lyrics, they sync up quite nicely with what's on screen. For example "Shivers down my spine" at the same time Scientists(?) jump away from Killer Croc and "love" at the same time The Joker is looking a little depressed and Enchantress is smiling at who I assume is Rick Flag. 0:02 - Right in the centre "FIRM BUT FAIR" notice the F on FAIR is missing? I think that's a nice little touch because this prison is meant for super villains it ain't going to be fair. 0:25 - 0:26 - Pause at the right time and you see graffiti on the WB and DC logos, most likely drawn by Harley Quinn. 0:40 - Slipknot punches a woman... He's probably the first to die. 0:45 - Enchantress behind Rick Flag, they seem intimate. A few seconds later he says "You're possessed by a witch" when reading off who the characters are. Interesting that these two are in a relationship and he knows she's a bad guy. Rick Flag is supposed to be the good guy on the team. It's also important to note there is many versions of Rick Flag in the comics so they could be taking inspiration form the more unstable one which I believe was actually Rick Flags son but they still called him Rick Flag short for Richard Flag because comics. 0:55 - Scott Eastwood, Clint Eastwood's son. Nobody knows who he's playing but I don't care if he's inherited his fathers acting genes. 1:05 - The two helicopters are being shot by something, if you pause at the right time between 1:04 - 1:05 you can see an attack chopper flying with them. Is that what's shooting at them? If so why? We do see The Joker inside one of these later. 1:06 - No idea what I'm looking at here but I think it's a crashed plane which leads me to... 1:07 - Is whatever caused all this damage from that plane? 1:12 - More of this black goo thing. I have no idea who or what could be causing this, if it was Marvel then Venom would be the easy guess but I don't know any DC character that has these abilities... Watch it be someone incredibly obvious. 1:17 - this one doesn't need pointing out but it looks like people made from that black goo. 1:23 - Joker in Helicopter. 1:24 - Person next to him wearing military uniform shooting a minigun. 1:27 - Enchantress in the Whitehouse? If so maybe she's the villain behind this? She has caused a lot of mayhem before in the comics especially when she tried to revive her brother. 1:31 - Katana using her swords power, it can absorb the souls of those it kills. She also believes her husbands soul is in the sword. 1:43 - Scott Eastwood again, this time giving someone a fist bump. Rumours are that Eastwood are playing Deathstroke but I find this hard to believe. 1:44 - I assume this is our villain. Some sort of tentacle monster. He, she or maybe it looks like an alien but with all the magic in this movie and something else I'll be pointing out later it's probably a demon which lends some credence to Enchantress having something to do with the villain. 1:44 continued - You can see a tentacle inside the train, looks cool so I thought I would mention it. 1:45 - The man on the minigun is with Joker. 1:46 - Harleen Quinzel pre Joker 1:47 - Police car says Midway City, this is something we've known for a while. Nothing really that interesting about other than it could hint at Hawkgirl and Hawkman existing in the movie universe. 1:49 - These goo people have human guns. Maybe they used to be human? 1:56 - Harley is in the area where she was messing with gold chain and The Joker was behind her. What do you want to bet this is moments before they meet Batman on top of the Jokers car? 1:56 continued - Enchantress in a pool of black water. Love her reflection here because this must be the moment she gets possessed, some great symbolism. 1:57 - The Joker diving into a vat of chemicals. 1:58 - The Joker pulling Harley out of a vat of chemicals. Notice that the colours are coming off him and going on Harley's hair explaining her the pink and blue tips? Also it forms a nice little love heart. True love at it's wickedest. 2:03 - Joker punching roof of car. Probably because Batman has landed on it. 2:03 - some sort of blue fiery cloud explosion thing BUT that's not the important part. Look what's around it, notice it? Demons. Demons. Demons. Horns and glowing eyes. Even more evidence to suggest Enchantress is related to this somehow. 2:04 - Margot Robbie (harley) doing her own stunts. Love it when actors do their own stunt work especially women because not enough women do their own stunts. 2:07 - I'm above this. I'm better than this. I will not do it. I will not. {I did it...}Dat Ass
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 20, 2016 14:11:21 GMT -5
First live-action Harley and she's practically in her underwear. Just pointing that out. I saw Wolf of Wall street so I know she's comfortable with it, but did we need her to dressed like that? It's kinda distracting and I worry the movie will fail with all the characters taking a backseat to her because she's eye candy... and sex sells better than Killer crock.
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 21, 2016 0:58:21 GMT -5
First live-action Harley and she's practically in her underwear. Just pointing that out. I saw Wolf of Wall street so I know she's comfortable with it, but did we need her to dressed like that? It's kinda distracting and I worry the movie will fail with all the characters taking a backseat to her because she's eye candy... and sex sells better than Killer crock. Harley has been an eye candy character for pretty much 15 years now and she's been in her underwear since New 52 (more normal short shorts in her new comic series.) She wears multiple outfits throughout the movie but it looks like she's wearing the short shorts in the final act. David Ayer is a pretty serious filmmaker so I trust him and Margot Robbie's vision for for Harley Quinn. Also you're right sex sells but Harley is a sexy, dirty, evil, horrible and insane character, her appeal should be all of it and it looks like they have all of that down in the trailer. As fan of the Rocksteady Harley, this is the perfect Harley for me. I've seen some people complain that she isn't like the 90s animated version but I believe she does wear that outfit at some point in the movie, personality wise she's probably closer to the Rocksteady and New 52 Suicide Squad version. Even if the costume changes are just rumours and she only wears the stripper outfit and the short shorts I don't have a problem with it as a Harley fan because it fits the character. If anything my biggest problem is that Will Smith as Deadshot isn't wearing his helmet in combat... his red eye (can't remember if it has a name) is incredibly important to Deadshot and a big part of his character.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 21, 2016 4:00:01 GMT -5
It's just a little too obvious why they had her in that. I don't think cartoon Harley is sexy. That's just not my taste.
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 21, 2016 5:16:51 GMT -5
It's just a little too obvious why they had her in that. I don't think cartoon Harley is sexy. That's just not my taste. The 90s Harley was cutesy but after that for about 15 years she became a sexy character and in Rocksteady Batman Games even more so and then in New 52 even more so, then they toned it down slightly for her solo comic but she still wears short shorts just not as extreme. They are remaining truthful to the character. Enchantress on the other hand is nothing like the comic and is pretty much wearing lingerie. However Enchantress' bright green get up might've been hard to pull off in live action but it doesn't explain the drastic appearance change. I'm not complaining though because I think she looks really cool and I need to see everything in context before I throw actual complaints. Also nothing wrong with it as long as it works, I believe in letting the creators do what they want. I've seen some complain about Harley Quinn's Ass Shot but it was supposed to be gratuitous, it fits the character and the tone. Harley is the type of person that would bend over like that, she's unpredictable and does everything she can to keep people thrown off. Whether that's wear revealing outfits, feign imaginary voices, steal jewellery or show off her body, she doesn't care what people think of her as long as she gets what she wants. Actually kinda inspiring if she wasn't an evil psychopath. It is there because sex sells but at the same time it's not sex sells for the sake of sex sells, it's sex sells because sex sells not because it was put in for the purpose of sex sells... Basically, it's sex sells by coincidence and they are taking advantage of that. Enchantress is the only character that is sex sells on purpose but that's not a bad thing as long as it works.
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 21, 2016 7:12:56 GMT -5
I haven't got a lot of time but I want to write out the lyrics when they sync up. It's just too awesome. Let me know who you interpret them.
Straight away you have "Is this the real life?" - "Is this just fantasy?" This could have various meanings, such as the many characters can't believe their in this prison, the fact a Suicide Squad movie is being made or the idea of a team of villains being used to save the world is crazy.
"Caught in a landslide" No going back, trapped in this situation. "No escape from reality" this is actually happening and there's nothing the characters can do about it, also Suicide Squad is a reality.
The lines of dialogue from Amanda Waller and the army guys basically confirm all this. Basically the lyrics from the song are like "Seriously?"
"Too late" Classic, love that this line happens as soon as they start taking the prisoners out. "My time is come" Basically just syncing up. Also not just syncing up with the movie but the song telling them "It's too late your time has come and you're all going to die."
"Send shivers down my spine" El Diablo is being put out by water, probably cold water. Killer Croc makes a bunch of scientists(?) jump away in terror. Again also the concept of the Suicide Squad sends shivers down the spine of the song.
"Body's aching all the time" Don't really need to explain this one but it's the treatment of the prisoners but at the same time the song cuts and Boomerang K.O punches a solider and Slipknot knocks out a woman, the Suicide Squad are also making people hurt all the time.
"Goodbye everybody" Doors open, the Suicide Squad is being listed. This is their goodbye to the prison and life.
"We will not let you go" clips of their mission are played over this part of the song at the same time Rick Flag is telling them the deal. Obviously there's no freedom in this. Also the irony of "Goodbye everybody" coming before it is perfect.
"Beezlebub has put a devil beside for me, for me, for me" I wish I would've noticed this on my first post because the Enchantress says "Let's do something fun" and if she's the villain or responsible for the villain then this guarantees her trying to resurrect her brother is what's caused all this mayhem. Also the Joker shows up during this bit, who else is more evil? (This is so cool.)
"So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye?" The Suicide Squad are fighting against the monsters, Harleen Quinzel is getting angry and Killer Croc attacks Katana. Fallings out, insults, revelations and saving the world.
"So you think you can love me and leave me to die?" The Joker and Enchantress both look in love. Same time Suicide Squad are fighting, they are needed by the world but the world doesn't care if the survive this, they're only villains? This whole missions is a suicide mission they are loved for the wrong reasons and left to die.
"Oh baby" Joker dives into the chemicals to pull Harley out, no need to explain but I wonder if it's a coincidence that it's "baby" at Harley Quins birth? If that's not a coincidence this some excellent trailer making.
"Can't do this to me baby" Deadshot angrily pointing at Rick Flag, the Joker wagging his finger in disapproval and Killer Croc ripping his shirt in anger.
"Just gotta get out, just gotta get right outta here." Batman is on the Jokers car obviously something you want to escape. However Rick Flag says just after this "Seriously, what the hells is wrong with you people?" He wants out, he's going to get killed by people who hate his guts.
Harley Quinn says "We're Bad Guys. it's what we do." then we get the lyrics "Nothing really matters to me." Perfect.
I am addicted to this trailer in a bad way. It's all I can think about.
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Post by Xargen on Jan 21, 2016 7:20:05 GMT -5
I dunno about Harley being sexualized these days... Like, her solo comic yes she wears a lot of revealing clothing, but there's never really any OTT sexualized shots like her bending over with her ass in the panel and stuff...
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 21, 2016 7:24:08 GMT -5
I dunno about Harley being sexualized these days... Like, her solo comic yes she wears a lot of revealing clothing, but there's never really any OTT sexualized shots like her bending over with her ass in the panel and stuff... I've only read the first few issues of her solo run (wasn't a fan of the art style) but I can remember sexy outfits, poses in mirrors, lesbian cops and sleeping with Poison Ivy (that wasn't sexual but it hinted at stuff happening.) Most of her sexualisation in New 52 came from Suicide Squad anyway.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 21, 2016 12:57:49 GMT -5
I don't care what they wear, but like those Fast and Furious films, it's hard to take things seriously when they are blatantly marketed at a demographic the subject material should probably leave out. I don't really want to argue but unless there is a reason for her being dressed like that (like shes half amphibian and needs to breath through her skin lol) it just feels like her costume is in the movie to get the 13 year-old boys talking. Believe me, thats a thing too. I know when I was 13 via a trailer, I found there is a "shower scene" in the first Tomb Raider movie, and it put butts in the seats that weekend at the the theater. A sea of panting 13 year olds. No mainstream adaptation of Harley has looked so sexy.
If you type her name on any search engine and go to pictures it'll take about 4 pages before you find a short short version of the character. So they took the least known, least popular style of the character. They went with the literal 1%, because it was sexy. But hey! Whats done is done. As before, just pointing that out. If feels cheap and unnecessary.
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 21, 2016 17:38:37 GMT -5
If you type her name on any search engine and go to pictures it'll take about 4 pages before you find a short short version of the character. So they took the least known, least popular style of the character. They went with the literal 1%, because it was sexy. But hey! Whats done is done. As before, just pointing that out. If feels cheap and unnecessary. Her short shorts version is actually the first result you just can't see her legs in the picture. Then the second result is Arkham City which is one of the more sexualised Harley's then several rows down you have the short shorts version again you just can't see the shorts. Plus loads of the cutesy version of the short shorts Harley is everywhere, one is the third picture another a few rows down. She's everywhere because she's the newest and most popular version. She's dressed this way because it's her character. I liked Quiet's design but she didn't need to wear that outfit she could've worn shorts and a tank top, there also isn't anything in the story that explains the sexy get up. Harley has a character reason unlike Quiet. I don't want to sound negative I'm just saying the reason behind Harley Quinn's outfit makes more sense than other characters, especially Quiet's outfit. New 52 Suicide Squad Harley was supposed to be mainstream and she was the inspiration behind the short shorts. The Arkham games Harley is the most mainstream and she wears some pretty sexy get ups. Teenage boys probably did come into the thinking of her design but at the same time her design wasn't just "Let's get the 13 year old boy market!" they wanted to create a character that would become iconic, as popular as the Joker, as popular as Batman. A lot of people were probably sat down for a very long time discussing what she will wear and act like.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 21, 2016 20:54:51 GMT -5
I very much doubt those short shorts are a part of her character. I mean, not any more than the makeup, hair, shirt, etc. but they chose those shorts for other reasons. They arnt signature to her character the way her 90s cartoon, or Arkham look is. I wouldn't like her looking like a jester like in the 90s cartoon, but her corset and tight pants are absolutely signature, and would fit this portrayal perfectly. I don't mind Harley being sexual. That is apart of her character design, but shes always had a "cute sexy" air rather than as you put it, stripper. Like I said in the beginning, this is the first live-action Harley we've seen and in all the promotion, she is depicted in these super short shorts. There is no reason other than sex appeal. It's the same reason why Will Smiths face is rarely covered, it's marketing.
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 22, 2016 5:59:23 GMT -5
I very much doubt those short shorts are a part of her character. I mean, not any more than the makeup, hair, shirt, etc. but they chose those shorts for other reasons. They arnt signature to her character the way her 90s cartoon, or Arkham look is. I wouldn't like her looking like a jester like in the 90s cartoon, but her corset and tight pants are absolutely signature, and would fit this portrayal perfectly. I don't mind Harley being sexual. That is apart of her character design, but shes always had a "cute sexy" air rather than as you put it, stripper. Like I said in the beginning, this is the first live-action Harley we've seen and in all the promotion, she is depicted in these super short shorts. There is no reason other than sex appeal. It's the same reason why Will Smiths face is rarely covered, it's marketing. If it's not a part of her character why does she wear them? Yeah sex appeal fuels a lot of stuff but sex appeal isn't the only reason she wears this outfit she's a character that is fleshed out. Why does Katana wear pants, shirt and a jacket? Enchantress is the most questionable design change but Harley Quinn wears Harley Quinn clothes straight from the comics/games and the way she moves, talks, acts, just everything about her just fits with the bright red and blue sparkly short shorts. I think just like Quiet writing off her character as "sex appeal" just devalues her because Harley's sex appeal is a part of her character, the same way Katana is pretty much reasonably dressed.
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Post by Blade Runner 07 on Jan 22, 2016 13:12:48 GMT -5
I'm saying her character "choice" to wear that particular scantily clad outfit was probably influenced greatly by a marketing team hired by DC to help catch up with Marvel. I'm positive she would have be the same character if she put some pants on.
I am certainly not writing Harley off, I just don't like what they did with her costume. Honestly, I never saw the short short version of her until this movie, and that's why if feel intentionally expletive. Quiet in MGS had a reason to be naked, even if theres a very good chance Kojima just wanted some eye candy in the game. She was a big character in the story the way Harley will be in this movie. Heath Ledger never had to take off his shirt and play pretty boy in the The Dark Knight just because he was known to be sexy and that was a great character and movie. When I see Harley bend over a display window in those short shorts I wonder how that shot contributes to her character ark or the overall story. It's probably normal for her character to do that, but in them shorts... ya know, maybe the jokes on me and this movie is meant for adults only. lol
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Post by MGNoxa on Jan 22, 2016 14:06:56 GMT -5
I'm saying her character "choice" to wear that particular scantily clad outfit was probably influenced greatly by a marketing team hired by DC to help catch up with Marvel. I'm positive she would have be the same character if she put some pants on. She would still have the same personality but I think there's a big difference between pants, skirts, and shorts. Her deciding to wear short shorts and fishnets contributes to the character, not everybody has to like it and Harley (this is getting weird because there's many different versions of Harley and I feel like I'm talking about her as if she's real.) knows that her outfit will put people on edge. She's walking around with a baseball bat and a handgun in a war zone so Harley clearly values the way she looks more than her protection or practicality. She wants people to see her and think she's sexy, think she's trashy or think anything other than "She fits in" I'm not discounting marketing, if marketing thought this would damage the movie's earnings then they would be keeping it hidden or they would never of let it in the film. It's in here because they know it will garner attention maybe even controversy but it's not the sole reason. That's all I'm getting at, more thought has been put into Harley Quinn's design than probably all of the other Suicide Squad combined and marketing probably only had a small percentage of influence on her design. Think about it because the most marketable Harley would be one that's sexy but also wearing pants. This is more than marketing. The version and story they are taking influence from is the New 52 Suicide Squad Harley which is the corset wearing short shorts version. Are you a comic fan? I'm just wondering because New 52 Suicide Squad Harley is when she blew up as a massive character in DC comics, she's always been popular but that was when she became massive. I also think the Rocksteady Batman games helped push her popularity. "jokes on me" First trailer reference? Pretty cool way of sneaking that in! Quiet had a very good reason of being naked but the ending of her story proved that she could wear shorts and tank top, so her design was definitely sex appeal. I really liked Quiet's design, thought she looked really badass but I think there's a big difference between Harley and Quiet because Quiet's personality doesn't fit her design and Harley's does. The bending over the window is the director having his cake and eating it too. He wanted her to bend over because it's something Harley would do, it adds to the whole "Seriously, what the hell's wrong with you people?" line, she's not only just breaking a store window and stealing a necklace but bending over in a way that gives everyone a good view, audience included. Then the "We're bad guys, it's what we do." line fits in again, you shouldn't find Wonder Woman, Batgirl or Batwoman bending over that way but Harley being the villain isn't just thieving but behaving in away that some would consider inappropriate and not just for a war zone. Jared Leto will be taking his shirt off as the Joker several times in the movie and he's a pretty sexy actor. It wasn't in the trailer and that could be because the majority of the audience will be male or it could be because he only has a small role in the movie and they don't want to spoil the movie. I think Harley will be a great character and so will Joker, even if they are portrayed sexily because there shouldn't be anything wrong with sexualised characters as long as it works in context. I don't think we've ever had a sexy Joker before so that'll be interesting.
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Post by Silent Sputnik on Jan 22, 2016 14:52:35 GMT -5
Let's just assume that Harley is intentionally being sexualized.
What's the problem with that? Is it problematic when women try to make themselves sexy? Is it problematic when I find women sexy? Surely not.
As far as I'm concerned, objecting to sexualization is simply pearl-clutching demonization of male sexuality or sexuality in general.
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